From: Nicholas Clark Date: 13:28 on 12 Aug 2006 Subject: Challenge response systems Challenge response systems. Particularly those hooked up to mailing lists. I'm not sure whether I want to kill the authors first, or the users. Nicholas Clark ----- Forwarded message from kickidle@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx ----- Received: from server344.server-center.net ([65.98.58.178]) by plum.flirble.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBsUe-000BeY-S8 for nick@xxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:21:34 +0100 Received: from kickidle by server344.server-center.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GBsUb-0005T0-Qq for nick@xxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:21:29 -0400 X-Boxtrapper: iuBOI2FRD4BOm9uMkmFuxPXa_w4RRQO0 To: nick@xxxx.xxx Subject: Your email requires verification verify#vBKibBm4rGqMiod20gc4QyIi2ywp0ZQ7 From: <kickidle@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Message-Id: <E1GBsUb-0005T0-Qq@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:21:29 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server344.server-center.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ccl4.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32135 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - server344.server-center.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AND HIT SEND. Thanks for your email! However, I now get over 150 spam emails a day. That's just too many to handle. And unfortunately, my automatic filters like to claim that mail from my family and friends is spam. So I have to double check all those messages to make sure I'm not actually ignoring my mom instead of the spam. Since I haven't setup your email address on my approved list yet (sorry!), you need to let me know you're not an evil spammer. Please don't change the subject line when you reply. The text in the subject tells my email server how to locate your message and forward it on to me. I know this is inconvenient, but your address will automatically be remembered after your first email. From then on you're emails will go straight to me, and you won't have to deal with this hassle again. If you don't reply within a few days, my email server will delete your message. I'll never get to read it. So please reply. Thanks! The headers of the message sent from your address are show below: >From siesta-dev-bounce@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx Sat Aug 12 08:21:29 2006 Received: from kickidle by server344.server-center.net with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBsUa-0005Sk-Vw for kickidle@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:21:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-25) on server344.server-center.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=ham version=3.1.4 Received: from penfold.unixbeard.net ([80.169.162.84]) by server344.server-center.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBsUa-0005SI-Ms for daniel@xxxxxxxx.xxx; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:21:28 -0400 Received: by penfold.unixbeard.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C56702000B2; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:21:22 +0100 (BST) X-Original-To: siesta-dev@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx Delivered-To: siesta-dev@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx Received: from plum.flirble.org (plum.flirble.org [195.40.6.20]) by penfold.unixbeard.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0762000A9 for <siesta-dev@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:21:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from nick by plum.flirble.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GBsUR-000BdR-Q3; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:21:19 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:21:19 +0100 From: Nicholas Clark <nick@xxxx.xxx> To: Michael Reece <mreece@xxxx.xxx> Cc: siesta-dev@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx Subject: Re: [siesta-dev] no subject Message-ID: <20060812122119.GV5342@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx> References: <D2B00150-B992-4051-AEB4-7DC6C3C8AB86@xxxx.xxx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <D2B00150-B992-4051-AEB4-7DC6C3C8AB86@xxxx.xxx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Organisation: Tetrachloromethane List-Id: siesta-dev <siesta-dev.siesta.unixbeard.net> List-Help: <mailto:richardc@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:siesta-dev-unsub@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Subscribe: <mailto:siesta-dev-sub@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Post: <mailto:siesta-dev@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Owner: <mailto:siesta-dev@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx> List-Archive: NO Sender: <kickidle@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> ----- End forwarded message -----
From: Ann Barcomb Date: 14:10 on 12 Aug 2006 Subject: Re: Challenge response systems On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, Nicholas Clark wrote: > Challenge response systems. Particularly those hooked up to mailing lists. > I'm not sure whether I want to kill the authors first, or the users. The bug is in the mailing list software, which didn't unsubscribe the idiot and ban her/him from ever joining the list again. - A
From: Nicholas Clark Date: 14:17 on 12 Aug 2006 Subject: Re: Challenge response systems On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 03:10:39PM +0200, Ann Barcomb wrote: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, Nicholas Clark wrote: > > >Challenge response systems. Particularly those hooked up to mailing lists. > >I'm not sure whether I want to kill the authors first, or the users. > > The bug is in the mailing list software, which didn't unsubscribe the > idiot and ban her/him from ever joining the list again. How could it? The backscatter went direct to me. No (hateful) mailing list software is aware that the hateful challenge response system ever sent any e-mail. A part of me is wondering just how much mess one of these hateful pieces of challenge response software could get its luser into if a (hateful) header faking worm (inevitably running on the most hateful OS out there) by sending a mail "from" the luser to some "interesting" e-mail address. Nicholas Clark
From: Tanja Date: 19:22 on 12 Aug 2006 Subject: Re: Challenge response systems On Aug 12, 2006, at 14:28, Nicholas Clark wrote: > ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AND HIT SEND. Oh yeah baby, yell at me, I looove that! > Thanks for your email! However, I now get over 150 spam emails a > day. That's > just too many to handle. And unfortunately, my automatic filters > like to > claim that mail from my family and friends is spam. So I have to > double check > all those messages to make sure I'm not actually ignoring my mom > instead of > the spam. Since I haven't setup your email address on my approved > list yet > (sorry!), you need to let me know you're not an evil spammer. You could ofcourse suggest to your friends and family to not send you HTML mail, I'm just saying. > Please don't change the subject line when you reply. The text in > the subject > tells my email server how to locate your message and forward it on > to me. Aah, an intelligent mailserver! > I know this is inconvenient, but your address will automatically be > remembered after your first email. From then on you're emails will > go straight > to me, and you won't have to deal with this hassle again. Groovy, I could start to send you spammessages then, woohoo. Or better! I'll forge Nicholas' address and claim to be him, cause you have approved him, and ofcourse he would never send you spam if he replies to the spam preventer bot. We have a rule at work. Just because someone doesn't do something at a certain time, doesn't mean they will never. My brother sends me spam, I punched him, he stopped. I did leave his spammessage marked as spam, because I don't care who sends the message, if it's spam, it's spam. Back to pizza. Tanja
From: Yoz Grahame Date: 00:14 on 13 Aug 2006 Subject: Re: Challenge response systems On 8/12/06, Nicholas Clark <nick@xxxx.xxx> wrote: > Challenge response systems. Particularly those hooked up to mailing lists. > I'm not sure whether I want to kill the authors first, or the users. T-Rex agrees, will stomp: http://www.qwantz.com/index.pl?comic=499 -- Yoz
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