From: Nicholas Clark Date: 09:48 on 11 Sep 2006 Subject: M$ Excel A document with the name 'TS_200609_NWC.xls' is already open You cannot open two documents with the same name, even if the documents are in different folders. To open the second document, either close the document that's currently open, or rename one of the documents. People *pay* money for this? Positive sums of money? Nicholas Clark
From: demerphq
Date: 10:15 on 11 Sep 2006
Subject: Re: M$ Excel
On 9/11/06, Nicholas Clark <nick@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> A document with the name 'TS_200609_NWC.xls' is already open
>
> You cannot open two documents with the same name,
> even if the documents are in different folders.
> To open the second document, either close the document
> that's currently open, or rename one of the documents.
>
>
>
> People *pay* money for this? Positive sums of money?
Insane isn't it? I hate it too.
I blame the VB scripting model and marketing. They could have had it said
Warning, another different file of this name is already open.
Internally Excel will use 'BLORG' as the name. This may break some
user defined macros. If this is a problem close the other file before
opening this one. Should I proceed?
OK - CANCEL
99% of the time when you load a file with a duplicate name its not
going to be a problem, so why block it entirely? The only reason i can
think of is somebody in marketing (or whatever department the MS
(un)usability police work in) said "thats too complicated, just block
it entirely".
Probably the same clowns who got the paperclip idiocy added. Fuckers.
Yves
From: Chris Devers
Date: 13:20 on 11 Sep 2006
Subject: Re: M$ Excel
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, demerphq wrote:
> On 9/11/06, Nicholas Clark <nick@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> > A document with the name 'TS_200609_NWC.xls' is already open
> >
> > You cannot open two documents with the same name,
> > even if the documents are in different folders.
> > To open the second document, either close the document
> > that's currently open, or rename one of the documents.
> >
> >
> >
> > People *pay* money for this? Positive sums of money?
>
> Insane isn't it? I hate it too.
>
> I blame the VB scripting model and marketing. They could have had it said
>
> Warning, another different file of this name is already open.
> Internally Excel will use 'BLORG' as the name. This may break some
> user defined macros. If this is a problem close the other file before
> opening this one. Should I proceed?
>
> OK - CANCEL
A (possibly) easier fix (for MS to implement):
* On first save, embed a UUID in the header of the .xls file.
* Provide the option -- preferably in some user- / scripter- friendly
way that doesn't necessarily expose the UUID or force typing it out
when needed -- to attach macros to UUIDs rather than file names.
This should solve the current problem, and if VBA macros are attached to
file names and (presumably) break if the file is renamed, then it would
solve that problem too.
From: Philip Newton Date: 14:03 on 11 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel On 9/11/06, Chris Devers <cdevers@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > * Provide the option -- preferably in some user- / scripter- friendly > way that doesn't necessarily expose the UUID or force typing it out > when needed -- to attach macros to UUIDs rather than file names. > > This should solve the current problem I think you'd still have the problem with OLE Automation -- IIRC, you can remote-control an Excel and tell it to give you a handle to the document with name "foo.xls" that's currently open. If Excel has three different foo.xls open, and you don't know the UUIDs, what are you going to do? Cheers,
From: H.Merijn Brand Date: 14:16 on 11 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:03:19 +0200, "Philip Newton" <philip.newton@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On 9/11/06, Chris Devers <cdevers@xxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > * Provide the option -- preferably in some user- / scripter- friendly > > way that doesn't necessarily expose the UUID or force typing it out > > when needed -- to attach macros to UUIDs rather than file names. > > > > This should solve the current problem > > I think you'd still have the problem with OLE Automation -- IIRC, you > can remote-control an Excel and tell it to give you a handle to the > document with name "foo.xls" that's currently open. > > If Excel has three different foo.xls open, and you don't know the > UUIDs, what are you going to do? Switch to OpenOffice?
From: Peter da Silva Date: 14:39 on 11 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel > If Excel has three different foo.xls open, and you don't know the > UUIDs, what are you going to do? Excel should use the one that's in the foreground, and give you the UUID back from it. Excel should use the whole path to identify the file. This isn't brain surgery, it's only rocket science.
From: Bill Page Date: 15:20 on 11 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: Re: M$ Excel more like rocket surgery On 9/11/06, Peter da Silva <peter@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > If Excel has three different foo.xls open, and you don't know the > > UUIDs, what are you going to do? > > Excel should use the one that's in the foreground, and give you the > UUID back from it. > > Excel should use the whole path to identify the file. > > This isn't brain surgery, it's only rocket science. > >
From: Jarkko Hietaniemi Date: 05:01 on 12 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel > > A (possibly) easier fix (for MS to implement): > > * On first save, embed a UUID in the header of the .xls file. > > * Provide the option -- preferably in some user- / scripter- friendly > way that doesn't necessarily expose the UUID or force typing it out > when needed -- to attach macros to UUIDs rather than file names. > > This should solve the current problem, and if VBA macros are attached to > file names and (presumably) break if the file is renamed, then it would > solve that problem too. I am not that much surprised at this brilliance of design after having learned at an impressionable age that *OF COURSE* Excel sheets saved with localized versions won't work with English Excel since the functions KESKIARVO(), MEDELTAL(), MOYENNE(), MITTELWERT(), MEDIA(), etc. are something completely different from AVERAGE() . > >
From: Phil Pennock Date: 15:19 on 11 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel On 2006-09-11 at 11:15 +0200, demerphq wrote: > Probably the same clowns who got the paperclip idiocy added. That's called "true love". The Project Manager on the office assistant stuff was a lady who was later to become Melinda Gates. -Phil
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 04:37 on 12 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel * Phil Pennock <phil.pennock@xxxxxxx.xxx> [2006-09-11 16:21]: > The Project Manager on the office assistant stuff was a lady > who was later to become Melinda Gates. Melinda French. She also managed the spectacularly stupid Microsoft Bob project, whose notable spawns include the Comic Sans font. Regards,
From: Daniel Pittman
Date: 10:36 on 12 Sep 2006
Subject: Re: M$ Excel
"A. Pagaltzis" <pagaltzis@xxx.xx> writes:
> * Phil Pennock <phil.pennock@xxxxxxx.xxx> [2006-09-11 16:21]:
>> The Project Manager on the office assistant stuff was a lady
>> who was later to become Melinda Gates.
>
> Melinda French. She also managed the spectacularly stupid Microsoft
> Bob project, whose notable spawns include the Comic Sans font.
I think this unfairly maligns Comic Sans, a fine font for the purpose it
was designed for: lettering funny books. Having actually seen it in use
where it was intended I think the font itself is great.
What I loath is the fashion for using Comic Sans to illustrate how
serious your business report is. Why, no, that wasn't the right choice
of typeface. Bang, bang, bleed, die.
I take some pleasure knowing that the designer they bought it off feels
the same way I do, and quite a bit of sympathy as it must hurt /so/ much
more when it is your work abusing your eyes daily...
Daniel
From: H.Merijn Brand Date: 18:15 on 12 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:36:46 +1000, Daniel Pittman <daniel@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > "A. Pagaltzis" <pagaltzis@xxx.xx> writes: > > * Phil Pennock <phil.pennock@xxxxxxx.xxx> [2006-09-11 16:21]: > >> The Project Manager on the office assistant stuff was a lady > >> who was later to become Melinda Gates. > > > > Melinda French. She also managed the spectacularly stupid Microsoft > > Bob project, whose notable spawns include the Comic Sans font. > > I think this unfairly maligns Comic Sans, a fine font for the purpose it > was designed for: lettering funny books. Having actually seen it in use > where it was intended I think the font itself is great. > > What I loath is the fashion for using Comic Sans to illustrate how > serious your business report is. Why, no, that wasn't the right choice > of typeface. Bang, bang, bleed, die. > > I take some pleasure knowing that the designer they bought it off feels > the same way I do, and quite a bit of sympathy as it must hurt /so/ much > more when it is your work abusing your eyes daily... Worse IMHO, is customers/people/boneheads that have switched to html-only mail, just so they can force this font upon us, as they like it so much.
From: Cory Myers Date: 22:03 on 12 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel > Worse IMHO, is customers/people/boneheads that have switched to > html-only > mail, just so they can force this font upon us, as they like it so > much. Or those who've switched to HTML-only mail for the purpose of delighting in formatting goodies. I'm not so miserly as to mind the waste of bandwidth (although there is that); it's the sheer unreliability of it that annoys me. The number of times I've advised clients to stick with plain text, since it won't end up garbled and mangled and is just as easy to send from web mail as anything else...
From: jrodman
Date: 22:32 on 12 Sep 2006
Subject: Re: M$ Excel
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 05:03:19PM -0400, Cory Myers wrote:
> >Worse IMHO, is customers/people/boneheads that have switched to
> >html-only
> >mail, just so they can force this font upon us, as they like it so
> >much.
>
> Or those who've switched to HTML-only mail for the purpose of
> delighting in formatting goodies. I'm not so miserly as to mind the
> waste of bandwidth (although there is that); it's the sheer
> unreliability of it that annoys me. The number of times I've advised
> clients to stick with plain text, since it won't end up garbled and
> mangled and is just as easy to send from web mail as anything else...
(continuing the topic drift)
In the middle of a long technical discussion about some sort of
development problem in a clunky API that the customer is misusing:
Me: I often become unclear as to who is saying what in these email
exchanges. Could you consider indenting or prefixing the text of
different speakers differently, as I do?
Them: Oh, your text is in blue. My mext is in green. The other
engineer's text I keep pasting in is in red.
I hope it is obvious that none of the text was any color but black in my
not-insane mail reader.
-josh
From: Nik Clayton Date: 12:22 on 13 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel jrodman@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > In the middle of a long technical discussion about some sort of > development problem in a clunky API that the customer is misusing: > > Me: I often become unclear as to who is saying what in these email > exchanges. Could you consider indenting or prefixing the text of > different speakers differently, as I do? > > Them: Oh, your text is in blue. My mext is in green. The other > engineer's text I keep pasting in is in red. > > I hope it is obvious that none of the text was any color but black in my > not-insane mail reader. I work for a large organisation that has to pay at least some lip service to disability / anti-disriminatory legislation. So I explain that I'm colour blind, and could they please use a method that doesn't discriminate against me. It works surprisingly well. N
From: Roger Burton West Date: 22:11 on 12 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel On or about Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 07:36:46PM +1000, Daniel Pittman typed: >I think this unfairly maligns Comic Sans, a fine font for the purpose it >was designed for: lettering funny books. Having actually seen it in use >where it was intended I think the font itself is great. It is utterly terrible for web comics, which tend to use it at a resolution too low to support it. (And of course most web-comic readers have already been over-exposed to it in other life.) Personally I letter in Komika (from the defunct Apostrophic Labs). R
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 22:18 on 12 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel > Personally I letter in Komika (from the defunct Apostrophic Labs). Komika Hands or Komika Poster?
From: Patrick Carr Date: 22:56 on 12 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel On Sep 12, 2006, at 5:36 AM, Daniel Pittman wrote: > > I think this unfairly maligns Comic Sans, a fine font for the =20 > purpose it > was designed for: lettering funny books. Having actually seen it =20 > in use > where it was intended I think the font itself is great. > > What I loath is the fashion for using Comic Sans to illustrate how > serious your business report is. Why, no, that wasn't the right =20 > choice > of typeface. Bang, bang, bleed, die. > > I take some pleasure knowing that the designer they bought it off =20 > feels > the same way I do, and quite a bit of sympathy as it must hurt /so/ =20= > much > more when it is your work abusing your eyes daily... There was a time when I was similarly blas=E9 about the abuses of comic =20= sans, and then I saw it at 3600 pt, in lights. http://gneiss.geo.cornell.edu/external/saucy_noodle.jpg =46rom what I understand they put just as much care into their food. Pat
From: Chris Devers Date: 23:19 on 12 Sep 2006 Subject: Re: M$ Excel This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1140268074-1158099563=:706 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Patrick Carr wrote: > There was a time when I was similarly blas=E9 about the abuses of comic= =20 > sans, and then I saw it at 3600 pt, in lights. >=20 > http://gneiss.geo.cornell.edu/external/saucy_noodle.jpg >=20 > From what I understand they put just as much care into their food. =20 A similar thing happened in Boston: a restaraunteur had a series of=20 decent, reasonable quality chains -- Joey's Ice Cream, then Bertucci's=20 (pizza, Italian), then Naked Fish (Cuban seafood). http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/food_drink/dining/documents/02700220.ht= m But when some of the Naked Fish locations weren't doing so well, he had=20 them rebranded as Red Sauce, with a logo as boring as the name: http://www.nakedfish.com/red_sauce_info.htm They mostly closed up pretty fast, as near as I can tell -- that review=20 was from 2003, and there's only one location still listed on their site.=20 I blame the Comic Sans.=20 But then, from a quick look at the HTML source -- <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smartt= ags" name=3D"PostalCode"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smartt= ags" name=3D"address"/> -- etc. Maybe the font was the least of it. Maybe it was software hate, too. --=20 Chris Devers DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL --0-1140268074-1158099563=:706--
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