From: Nicholas Clark Date: 01:57 on 12 Jan 2007 Subject: mtr Dear mtr, So you claim to be able to operate as some nice X11 based thingy. So I background you. So what's with this shit about: Resolver error: Received reply from unknown source: 62.156.61.1378 to fd 2 which is the tty which stops you dead in your tracks. Just fucking work. Is that too much to ask? Nicholas Clark
From: Peter da Silva Date: 13:06 on 12 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: mtr On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Nicholas Clark wrote: > to fd 2 which is the tty which stops you dead in your tracks. Dear Berkeley and/or AT&T or whoever owned UNIX the week the decision was made to stop background jobs that wrote to stderr, I would like to render a hearty "FUCK YOU".
From: dom (Dominic Mitchell) Date: 15:34 on 12 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: mtr On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 07:06:34AM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote: > On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Nicholas Clark wrote: > >to fd 2 which is the tty which stops you dead in your tracks. > > Dear Berkeley and/or AT&T or whoever owned UNIX the week the decision > was made to stop background jobs that wrote to stderr, I would like to > render a hearty "FUCK YOU". % stty -tostop Will fix that particular piece of hatred. Of course, it's utterly hateful that it's necessary in the first place. I'll never forget quite how much of the very large (albeit very good) Advanced Unix Programming book[1] was devoted to interacting with the terminal driver and its idiosyncracies... Hate? I nearly laughed. -Dom [1] RIP, WRS.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 17:20 on 12 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: mtr > > Dear Berkeley and/or AT&T or whoever owned UNIX the week the decision > > was made to stop background jobs that wrote to stderr, I would like to > > render a hearty "FUCK YOU". > % stty -tostop Yeh, I'd forgotten that, because I normally use this instead: http://www.scarydevil.com/~peter/sw/detach.shar Which solves a lot of other random hatefulness and should work on everything from Version 6 through Dead Rat and Interix. > Advanced Unix Programming book[1] was devoted to interacting with the > terminal driver and its idiosyncracies... Hate? I nearly laughed. That's because the terminal driver was the previous playground of the "I have a better idea of how to do menus" jerks who made X11 toolkits such a maze of weird behaviour and exceptions, and who now delight in finding new ways to abuse CSS and DHTML... Does hates-software extend to hates-people-who-make-software-hateful?
From: David Landgren Date: 17:29 on 12 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: mtr Peter da Silva wrote: [...] > Does hates-software extend to hates-people-who-make-software-hateful? Oh yes, in the pantheon of hate, they deserve to be put up on a pedestal. And then shot.
From: H.Merijn Brand Date: 17:37 on 12 Jan 2007 Subject: Re: mtr On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:29:46 +0100, David Landgren <david@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > Peter da Silva wrote: > > [...] > > > Does hates-software extend to hates-people-who-make-software-hateful? > > Oh yes, in the pantheon of hate, they deserve to be put up on a pedestal. > > > > > And then shot. You know, some people hate us too, for the decisions we made in the software we distribute ... I'm not suicidal (yet)
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